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Gordon Carbine 12.5" barrel with AEM collar and brake 727 - 733 from Black Hawk Down

$586.00 - $785.00
SKU:
CHMK01251595
Availability:
different brands available at different times, when in stock, we ship within 5 days
Extremely Limited Production and Availabilty:
we are getting different barrels in every month, but usually only one brand per month

Gordon CAR-15 Carbine 12.5" barrel with AEM collar and brake 727 - 733 from Black Hawk Down

A reasonable good job for a Gordon - Mogadishu - Operation Gothic Serpent - Black Hawk down 727 or 733 clone

Gordon Carbine Black Hawk Down

At Charlie's we pride ourselves on getting historical military rifles and parts correct.  We have taken broad liberties on this offering, to bring you a 12-1/2" barrel, with an AEM collar made exclusively for Charlie's by Allen Engineering to correctly fit an AEM-5 suppressor.  

At some point, we want to tackle the BHD Gordon gun and other Operation Gothic Serpent guns in more correct manner.  The truth is that this is hard.  The heroes who fought in Mogadishu in 1993 were using many one of a kind weapons.  We are accelerating the process for those customers who want something close, and will correctly fit the Allen Engineering AEM-5 / Ops Inc suppressor.  This is for you.  We have engineered this barrel, collar and brake to correctly fit your AEM5 suppressor.  End of story.  You can build the CAR-15 rifle in a 727 or 733 variant and put this barrel and it will work.

We have taken a mil spec 12.5" barrel with an FSB, and have milled back the bayonet lug a little, and installed our custom made Allen Engineering collar with the standard Allen Engineering brake to bring you this barrel set.

If we take a step back in history, the actual barrel used in Operation Gothic Serpent was 14.5" Government profile barrel, with an Ops Inc suppressor that was custom made for the US Military in a very small number.  The actual design went much further back over the barrel than the Ops Inc #12, now the AEM-5, but it looked very much like the AEM-5, so most clone builders today are taking the short-cut and using the AEM5 on a 12.5" barrel, as it gives you pretty much the look.  The collar used in 1993 was a bit of a make-shift, and some may have seen the donut style collar that are being custom made today.

Our goal is to give you something close enough, and will fit the Allen Engineering AEM5 suppressor without you needing to do custom work.  It is also important, and many do not give the attention to the alignment of the AEM5 on the proper collar and brake, and the proper number of turns to make sure the suppressor is properly mounted.  We have done all that homework for you.  Is is perfect?  Not at all.  But until we get the proper suppressor built, this is pretty darn close.

Included is a turn-key barrel with all the attachments you would expect of a replacement barrel, and the AEM brake and thread protector.  Ready for you to install into a military grade upper receiver and military grade plastic handguards.  You need to be using a quality mil-spec receiver and handguards.  Colt, LMT, FN, Daniel Defense, BCM, CMMG, Rock River, Precision Reflex all should work fine, as well as many others.  Billet uppers and inexpensive forgings, Aero Precision, not so much.  Those might be great with another gun and barrel.  Same with the handguards. Colt, FN, LMT and Double Star are all good candidates.

Note on barrels

We started this project with Daniel Defense barrels, but that manufacture stopped selling barrels in early 2021, so they could use what they have for their own rifles.  We went back to the drawing board and look for alternate sources, while maintaining the same profile and exterior phosphate finish.  Maintaining the right profile is critical so that the finely engineered Allen AEM-5 custom collars will correct fit.  All barrels have the same government profile, same CMV steel construction and the same mil spec phosphated exterior finish.  Some will be chrome-lined, and some will not.  Chrome lining means better durability and less maintenance.   But, standard chrome-moly 4140 and 4150 steel has been used in barrels for decades without issue, as long as you clean and oil your bore.  The original DD barrels have a 1:7 twist as do the FN chrome-lined barrels and as do the Criterion non-chrome lined.  Other barrels will have 1:8 and 1:9.  We think of a 1:7 twist as standard today, but it is only needed with very heavy bullets like the 77 grain Mk262, which is clearly not needed in a 12.5" barrel.  Back in the 1960s, a 1:12 was common, and by the time of the Mogadishu conflict, 1:9 was much more common, and works great with 55 grain M193 ammo.  Any barrel selected will work just fine.  

Explanation of barrel choices

Note:  The barrels are not so much about choices, but about availability.  We anticipate certain barrels becoming available in certain months, so some will be pre-orders and some will not be available and some will be available to ship.

FN barrels - generally available most of the time, but come in batches, so you might catch us between batches.

DD barrels - extremely limited availability, not expecting better availability until 2023.

Bergara barrels - sold out

Greeen Mountain barrels - available off and on through early of 2023, is our best guess, while slow to be worked at our barrel shop

Criterion barrels - this is a work in progress.  Criterion is backed-up with production.   Most likely we start to get Criterion in the late 2022 and then stay in-stock.

LaRue barrels - a small number of match grade barrels will be available in the Fall of 2022.

 

You will have certain abbreviations and nomenclature that not everyone will be familiar with, so let us break it down for you:

  • barrel blank:  this is the brand of the barrel or perhaps the barrel blank.  Companies like Daniel Defense and FN make a finished product.  Companies like Criterion make both a finished barrel and a barrel blank, from which the barrel is contoured.  All barrels will have the same exact contour.  In this case, all barrels other than Daniel Defense will have some contouring done to the barrel or the blank.  We don't need to make this complicated, but even an FN barrel, which is 99% the same as a Daniel Defense barrel in steel, contour, chrome lining and so forth, is still re-contoured on a lathe to get to the exact measurements of a Daniel Defense finished product.  So, even though we are buying finished FN barrels, we are doing some rework of the contour and perhaps of the threads and spacing steps, to make sure the barrel behaves and fits exactly like the original, and more importantly, so our Allen Engineering collar fits
  • barrel maker:  We are using Daniel Defense, FN, Bergara, Criterion and Green Mountain barrels made for Colt.  Barrels with chrome lining are chambered first and then chrome lined.  Barrels without chrome lining are typically rechambered by our barrel smiths to 5.56 NATO.  You will see .223 Wylde, which Criterion uses.  It is very close to the 5.56 NATO, and for our purposes is no real difference.  But the marking might show .223 Wylde.  Every one of the barrel markers make very highly consistent and high quality barrels.  The Green Mountain barrels were made for Colt, but during one of Colt's bankruptcies, never made it there.  Critierion makes outstanding barrels, as does Bergara.  FN and DD are both military barrel contractors, and both are superior consistency and quality.
  • barrel drilling method:  For this barrel, we will be using either cold hammer forged (CHF) rifling, where a giant hydraulic press pushes from all directions to imprint the lands and groves in the bore, or we will be using button rifling.  Most military barrels are buttoned broached, where a mandrel is pulled or pushed through the opening in the barrel to create the rifling.  Both methods are very high quality.  CHF provides consistency, but buttoned rifling can produce more accurate barrels, or if the wrong barrel maker is chosen, worse results.  In our case, all the buttoned rifling is done by a very high quality company.
  • lining:  Either chrome lined or chrome-moly-vanadium (CMV) steel.  the Chrome lined barrels have an CMV exterior, and the other barrels have steel make-up of 4140 or 4150 "carbon" or normal steel, and are shown as CMV
  • barrel twist:  shown as 1:7, 1:8, etc.  A 1:7 twist is considered very fast, and useful for 77 grain bullets.  A 1:8 is also a fast twist, and is good for 62 to 77 grain bullets, and a 1:9 twist is more average, and is good for 40 grain to 60 grain bullets.  But, any of these twists will work just fine for our use.
  • Chambering:  5.56 NATO is the military standard, while .223 Remington is the civilian standard. .223 Wylde and Compass Lakes' proprietary .223 CLE are a hybrid to allow a wider range of bullets, and accept the pressure of a 5.56mm round.  For military purposes, .223 Remington is considered incompatible with 5.56mm rounds.  Any of the chambers we are selling will work 100% fine with 5.56mm or .223 ammo.

For barrel selection, we don't want to make this too complex, but we will be getting different barrels in stock at different times, and each has a different cost profile.  The biggest difference you need to worry about is:  is the barrel chrome lined. If not, you need to clean it and oil it.  Otherwise, any of these barrels will be fine for a Gordon barrel.

Generally speaking, only the barrels which are available and ready for testing and final packaging will be shown as available.  While the pricing will seem high - and it is, that is due to the engineering, testing and the barrel smithing lathe work that is done on each barrel, as well as hardware costs.  You would be encouraged to buy the barrel that is available.  If you have a preference, you can sign up to be notified when that barrel will be available.  Most will be available from time to time, with the exception of the Daniel Defense, which we expect the supply to go down to zero and not come back anytime soon.

Note on front sight posts:  

The DD barrels mostly have factory installed front sight posts, while the other barrels will have the FSB professional installed by the barrel smiths at Compass Lake Engineering, who are one of the two shops that Potomac and Charlie's works with on barrel engineering.  You want to get that FSB alignment perfect.  We are using "F" height FSBs, which are designed for flat top receivers.  We realize that some might want a standard FSB for a 733 / C7 / A1 upper receiver, but supply of the standard height will come later, as supplies are just not there, and some people will want to use a flat top upper receiver.  In reality, you can make adjustments in the front and rear sight height to compensate.

Fit and Testing

All barrels are individually tested for proper fit and alignment of an Allen Engineering AEM-5 suppressor, before they pass go.  Alignment is checked with a Surefire bore rod, and fit of the suppresser is checked by mounting the suppressor and making sure we have the right tolerance of "turns" on the suppressor, as we are guided by Ron Allen at Allen Engineering.

The Gordon Barrel Kit includes:

  • 12.5" Government profile phosphated barrel, specs will vary based upon the barrel maker you choose.  We are working to bring you the best barrels possible, but sourcing and specs will vary each month, choose from the drop-down menu. 
  • F-height front sight base, either factory installed by Daniel Defense, or precision installed by the best in the business*
  • Barrel nut is included (not in the picture, as the picture was staged as a prototype)
  • Front round handguard cap (not in the picture as the picture was a staged prototype) 
  • Allen Engineering collar, custom made for Charlies and installed
  • Allen Engineering standard muzzle break with thread protector (thread protector not shown in photographs), properly timed and installed

*front sight posts are nothing for an amateur to install.  Ours are installed by skilled barrel smiths either at Daniel Defense factory, or we send to Compass Lake Engineering to do a perfect installation.

Note:  Barrels are in critical short supply.  All of the barrels we offer are great quality.  If your first choice is out of stock, don't wait too long, pick another barrel.

Charlie's also sells the actuall clone-correct Gordon AEM M4 suppressor and barrel kit with 14.5".  For those who wish to extend the use of their AEM5, this  barrel kit is a great option.  The matched set is a bit more military-correct, and the limited edition.  The choice is simple:  If you have a Mk12 and Ops Inc #12 style suppressor already, you should get this Kit here.  If you are building your own Gordon Carbine clone, and want the real deal, get the Gordon Carbine Allen Engineering and Potomac Armory Suppressor and M4 14.5" Matched Set.

Suppressor is optional and not part of the package, but shown for illustrative purposes:  AEM5 Suppressor

for further reading, see Recoil Web's Guns of Black Hawk Down

photos courtesy of Potomac Armory, Recoil Web and Columbia Pictures